"No Idea 10B"

 Picking up where LoopDLoop left off

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Where did "No Idea 10B" in Michael Woodward's handwritten notes from 9/11 come from?


Well, that would be from the Ong-Gonzalez-Marquis conversation.




Sometime between 8:40 and 8:41:53 (according to Transcripts of 9/11 Phone Calls, AA Kean Comm 006347), which might be off by about 2-3 min. from the official account of the Ong call from the Moussaoui trial... 


...Ong tells Nydia Gonzalez, an agent at AA Raleigh Reservation center, that she has "No idea" who the other passenger who together with 10B are inside the cockpit.

During that time, Michael Woodward, Manager of Flight Services at Boston, Logan Airport is on the line with Amy Sweeney who is seated next to Ong. So it's possible that he overheard Ong passing on that bit of information to Gonzalez.  


Initially, Ong had identified the passengers seated at 2A and B as the ones inside the cockpit, however at mark 14:00 (8:20+14:00=8:34 according to the transcript, add to that 2 or 3min if we go by the official time Ong placed her call as exhibited in the Moussaoui trial exhibits), she probably gets hold of the onboard seating chart and gives Nydia Gonzalez the name of one of the passengers inside the cockpit and also that of the passenger that has been wounded, possibly fatally:


 And that's when her account changes. It's no longer 2A and B who are inside the cockpit with the pilots, but 10B and someone else. She then goes on to say that she has "No idea" who the second passenger might be. 

One more reason why Ong dropped the 2A and B story may be gleaned from the following bit of information provided by Ong and relayed by Gonzalez to Marquis around the 8:41:10 minute mark in the transcript (again add 2-3 minutes if we go by the official Ong call): 



Is it possible that with the onboard seating chart now in front of them and all the passengers now in coach, Ong and the flight attendant providing her with information did a head count and determined that all the first class passengers were accounted for? Well, according to the above statement, it wouldn't just be possible. It would be probable. Note also that in the Ong account, there's no passenger from the Business class section (other than Al Suqami) who is participating in the bruhaha. So, that would exclude Atta and Al Omari who are sitting in 8D and 8G. 


Around the same time (Final call 08:32:39, answered by Jim Sayer and 2-3 minutes later taken over by Michael Woodward as soon as he came back from gate 32)...


 ...Amy Sweeney, from the last passenger row of the plane, relays information about the "hijackers".. Note that although she is sitting right next to Ong (as per Woodward), her account is different. She tells Woodward that the seat numbers of the 3 passengers she claims are the "hijackers" are 10B, 9B and 9G.

(From Memorandum for the Record, Interview with Michael Woodward,prepared by John Raidt Jan 25, 2004)


In an interview Woodward gave to the FBI on September 12, 2001, he claimed the seats Sweeney gave him as occupied by the alleged "hijackers" were 10B, 9C and 9G or 10B, 9D and 9G.




And of course there's also Jim Sayer's account to whom Sweeney states that "hijackers" are in seats 10B, 9C and 9G.


(from T7 B10 FBI 302s Olsen FDR - 302s Re Michael Woodward372) 



Now here is the seating chart of Flight 11:



and again, the exhibit from the Moussaoui trial, also to be found at the 9/11 Memorial Museum site (https://timeline.911memorial.org/timeline/10681/images/13/345):



Seats 9E and 10C do not exist. Seats 9D and 9G are vacant!

If I were to draw a table depicting Ong's and Sweeney's accounts of who the "hijackers" were and where they were seated (together with the passenger in 9B that was said to be fatally stabbed), it would look something like this: 





Although this is speculation, it does seem that both Ong and Sweeney display a reluctance to label as "hijackers" passengers who are having nothing to do with what's going on on the plane, be that a hijacking or more likely, as it's becoming apparent some kind of an exercise. Hence, with a seating chart right in front of them, they choose to give out seat numbers that are either nonexistent or empty, with the exception of passenger in 10B, Satam Al Suqami.

After what they would have witnessed initially, Ong and Sweeney are now seated next to each other at the back of the plane and are getting their information from a 3rd flight attendant (see Winston Sadler, the agent at A.A. Reservation Center in Cary, North Carolina who took over Ong's call from Vanessa Minter "Ong seemed to be talking to someone else in the background and retrieving information" (14094215-T7-B17-FBI-302s-of-Interest-Flight-11). They're still providing contradictory accounts as to how many "hijackers" are involed and what their seats are, however they do agree on one thing: they only "identify" the ONE "hijacker": passenger seated in 10B, Satam Al Suqami.


It's also interesting to note at this point that it was Satam Al Suqami's passport that was allegedly found by a passerby in the vicinity of Vesey street and turned over to an NYPD officer, namely Detective Yuk H. Chinshortly before the towers collapsed. The passport which was found in mint condition, without a speck of dust (see below)





was later produced by New York City Commissioner Kerik's department.


Now, apart from Satam Al Suqami, the only other person Ong and Sweeney name as taking part in the goings on is that of Daniel Lewin, the Israeli-American seated in 9B. Around mark 12:00 of the Ong-Gonzalez call (8:20+12:00= 8:32, add 2 or 3 minutes if we go by the official Ong call), and with an onboard seating chart in front of her, Ong gives Lewin's name to Gonzalez as the passenger that got fatally stabbed. Similarly, although keeping it more vague as to seat numbers, Amy Sweeney tells Evelyn Nunez (the agent at A.A's M.O.D. office who answered Sweeney's first call ) that "a passenger in row 9 had their throat cut by a passenger in 10B". In her subsequent exchange with Michael Woodward, she will give neither the row nor the seat of the passenger that had his throat slashed.  


So in sum, a picture is emerging whereby not two but three flight attendants (Ong, Sweeney and whoever is providing them with information from further down in the cabin) are "identifying" two individuals (passengers seated in 10B and 9B, Satam Al Suqami and Daniel Lewin) as taking part in "something".  Now, my imagination may be running away with me a bit, but what are the odds that the opening scene to 9/11 would feature a fight between an Arab and an Israeli-American (as Lewin identified himself, https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/articles/201309/the-genius-who-perished-flight-11), whereby the Arab attacks and fatally wounds the Israeli-American? 


Daniel Lewin, the passenger in seat 9B, was scheduled to fly with his colleagues on the 10th of September out to LA to give a presentation at a conference, but for some reason, changed his plans and decided to fly the next day on his own. An interesting article and more information about Daniel Lewin is to be found here: https://shoestring911.blogspot.com/2019/12/the-strange-story-of-daniel-lewin-first.html






























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